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  GB says, "Our way of worship will soon be altered."

  by Separation of Powers in

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  my mom called me yesterday to ask how i was doing.

  i hadn't seen her in a while, so it was nice to hear her voice.

  we went through the motions of jw small talk and then she started telling me about her co visit from last week.

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  Phunny, Phizzy!
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  Display of National Flags in Kingdom Halls in Chile: WTS' Response

  by BluesBrother in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  remember this and other threads a few months back, on the subject that some kingdom halls in chile acquiesced to govt rules that every building should display the national flag on the day of celebration?.

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/262505/kingdom-hall-chile-has-national-flag?size=20&page=1.

  many of us here and around the net, calling on our dub experiences cried "never would that happen!

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  This is just like the "you can't have an organ transplant or you are a cannibal" and the reversal not long after.... "Oh well, they will be resurrected"      

  People didn't just "die" in Malawi, they were beaten, starved, chased from their homes, raped.

  15. Why were the Christian witnesses of Jehovah barbarically mistreated in Malawi, and what quality of faith did they manifest?

  *** w70 4/1 pp. 218-219 pars. 15-16

  When Building Disciples, Motivate the Heart ***

  15 As recently as October 1967, the refusal to join a particular political party and the failure to carry a party card identifying one with the party, resulted in a barbaric wave of torture heaped upon Jehovah’s witnesses in the Central African country of Malawi. An unknown number of women witnesses of Jehovah were raped. Forty of these were pregnant. Due to the way they were abused, each one suffered a miscarriage. Because they refused to buy a political card, they were beaten severely, sexually assaulted and their property was destroyed. Yet President Banda of Malawi could not get them to break integrity and renounce their God Jehovah. These Witnesses were motivated from the heart. They had true Christian qualities built in them.

  16 When a Christian witness of Jehovah of Ntifinyire Village was beaten for refusing to purchase a political card, Banda’s youths took a knife and made cuts encircling his arms and then his legs and inflicted many cuts on his head. Other Witnesses had six-inch nails driven into their feet, bicycle spokes were forced through their legs and then these Christians were told to run. Still others were tortured with a burning stick placed against their arms, legs, head and entire body. Still these Witnesses refused to compromise their religious beliefs or deny their God Jehovah under such barbaric torture. Do you have the quality of Christian endurance in you to stand such tests? You may be called upon someday to prove your faith. How will your faith stand up?

  16. (a) What other trials did Jehovah’s witnesses in Malawi suffer? (b) What questions should we ask ourselves, and why?

  Let's ask this question:  Why did Garrett Losch refuse to appear before the United States Court when he merely received a deposition? Would he have been abused? Raped? Cut with a knife all over his body? Get his property taken from him? Have six inch nails driven into his feet?  Did he have enough faith? Why not show that he has "complete trust in Jehovah" and show the 'Christian quality of endurance'?

  http://watchtowerdocuments.org/zalkin-lopez-trial-court-documents/

  http://watchtowerdocuments.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Lopez-16Plaintiff-Reply-to-Mtn-for-Sanctions-4-25-14.pdf

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  

  
  
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  Just ask simple questions and make street witnesses move along

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  you don't have to know much to talk to jw's and show them they don't want to really discuss the matters.they consider a discussion on the matter they are pushing to be "confrontational.".

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfw_txpmsj8.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lqtadagucq.

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  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6BWppCPV24

  
  

  
  
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  I hope Armageddon doesn't come before the new Star Wars movie comes out

  by Zoos in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  ever had this thought about an upcoming movie?.

  and then i would feel guilty for putting my entertainment desires ahead of god's kingdom.. .

  shameless!.

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  HaHa!  We totally were hoping that Armageddon would not come before the second movie!  Our hopes and dreams exactly!
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  JW's Don't Really Believe Satan is Real ...

  by TTATTelder in

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  2. beliefs

  if you walked up to any jw and said "i just spoke to satan" they would think you lost your mind.

  while that reaction makes perfect sense in the real world, in wt land it doesn't add up.

  here's why i say this -jw's are supposed to believe the following:.

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  Funny, just yesterday, my sister said the very same thing to me... 'JW's believe in Satan, warn about Satan, tell you about 'second hand items' and their 'link' with Satan/ demons, but the minute you start telling a story of what happened to YOU?   Their eyes start staring blankedly, their voice gets shaky and they start backing up away from you. ' 
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  New WTS end date - 2034?

  by campaign of hate in

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  2. beliefs

  so i already made an introductory thread where i said hello and mentioned my feelings toward 2034 being the wts new end date.. we get the year 2034 from matt 24:37 & luke 17:26. the wt commented on the "days of noah" in a qfr article 2010 12/15.

  where its stated: "it is logical, therefore, to conclude that genesis 6:3 expresses gods resolve to end the corrupt system of things on earth.

  jehovah issued a judicial decree to do so in 120 years, though noah was not yet aware of that.

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  Oh Blondie... I so remember the days... and yes, they WT loves to put the blame on the people 'who never doubted a word they said.' ..... wait.... Did the WT say it? or did the publishers make it up...... yes, that is the game.
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  Conti Appeal Preview - Oral Argument Jan 14

  by Chaserious in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  with hopefully a good deal of interest here in the conti appeal tomorrow (or later today, depending on where you are), i thought that on my ride home from work tonight i'd preview what to expect and what i think the key issues are for any who are interested.

  i have had a busy few weeks and haven't had time to read everything, but i had some time to look at the appeal briefs during my work commute the past couple days.

  it'll be interesting to see what develops out of the network news coverage of this case.

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  Data-Dog... good connection of the dots...

  Sometimes it is hard to put in words these obscured realities that affect so many lives, especially if one has not been an elder, read the BOE's letters, elder's books, or dealt with "the Society" directly.  

  So many people have not seen what goes on behind 'the curtain.'
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  LuckyNun is back

  by LuckyNun in

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  2. experiences

  long time no see.. so, since i last posted on here, jws drove my sister to attempt suicide again (she failed, but it was close) and drove my close childhood friend to actually commit suicide.

  i too kmy sister in and helped her recover.

  i think she's going to pull through.

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  So sorry for your sad and oh so hard life.  Hugs....
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  Conti Appeal Oral Arguments slated for 9 A.M., Jan. 14, 2014. Recap of Defendant Watchtower's Complaint of Errors for your info.

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  2. child-abuse

  conti appeal hearing-summary of watchtowers complaint of errors with plaintiff's reply.

  the following statements were taken from the introduction of respondents brief a136641 -attorney richard simons' response for plaintiff.

  defendants argue that the affirmative duty imposed by the trial court impinges on their religious freedom.

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  What I Saw & Heard in the Oral Argument Hearing on January 14, 2015

  by ABibleStudent in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  im not an attorney and i could not record the hearing, so please forgive me if i make mistakes in relating what i remember of the oral argument hearing for jane doe (i.e., candace conti) versus the watchtower bible & tract society on january 14, 2015 and the length of this post.. i arrived at the civic center/union plaza in san francisco, ca about 7:30. the area is very nice with a few homeless people sleeping in the park across from the courthouse.

  it took me about 10 minutes to find the clerks office for the court on the first floor, which opened at 8:00.. once the clerks office opened, the two clerks who i talked with were very polite and helpful.

  the arguments for jane doe (i.e., candace conti) versus the watchtower bible & tract society were scheduled 5th out of (i think) 8. while i was in the office a cameraman and another person for nbc arrived asking about the hearing for candace contis case.. the courtroom for the 1st appellate court is on the 4th floor and takes up most of that floor.

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  Since the Watchtower is very careful about what it writes, the following information would probably need to be introduced as evidence:

  1. Time slip records of JWs to demonstrate how much control the WTBTS has over JWs,

  1. Emphasize that the WTBTS pressures elders to practice the “Two-Witness” Rule, contact the legal department before calling local police, and that JWs are indoctrinated not to bring reproach on the WTBTS.  The Constitution guarantees that government is not allowed to infringe on an individual’s beliefs but can regulate an individual’s actions.

  1. Testimony from JWs/ex-JWs in a congregation about how they are influenced by Watchtower propaganda,

  1. Pertinent Watchtower and Awake! articles about shunning, going in FS, blindly following instructions by the GB and elders, that JWs are the most honest and trustworthy people in the world, etc.

  1. Testimony from experts about undue influence, BITE control, mind manipulation techniques, and affects of using thought-stopping platitudes.

  1. Any documentation from the WTBTS like the 1989 BOE letter that demonstrates how the WTBTS controls local congregations.

  
  

  Absolutely!

  The one thing the WT will do, is question ANY statement made by ANY one as if there is no one who knows anything.  The least amount of wriggle room, the better.